(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600]OT[15x300 byo-yomi] GN[Strasbourg Championship 2011 round 1]PW[PROKOP Jan]PB[DAI Junfu]WR[4d]BR[7d]DT[2011-05-14]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/] ;B[pd] ;W[dp] ;B[pq] ;W[dd] ;B[fq] ;W[cn] ;B[jp] ;W[qn] ;B[qp] ;W[pj] ;B[qh] ;W[on] ;B[pm]C[zazie [-\]: il faudrait mettre le titre de la partie (tournoi, ronde) pour que j'événemente zazie [-\]: ... ] ;W[pn] ;B[np] ;W[rj] ;B[nc] ;W[gc] ;B[dr] ;W[cq] ;B[fo]C[Holmes [-\]: Dai Junfy, sans "g" ... Holmes [-\]: Junfu * ] ;W[dj] ;B[cc] ;W[cd] ;B[dc] ;W[ec] (;B[ed]C[Uberdude [3d\]: i think black would play e19 here ] ;W[eb] ;B[db]) (;B[eb] ;W[fb] ;B[ed]C[Uberdude [3d\]: e18 ] ;W[fc] ;B[bd] ;W[be] ;B[bc] ;W[cf] ;B[db] ;W[qf] ;B[ee] ;W[df] ;B[pf]C[goren2 [6k\]: heheh, w is like Mirko crocop of go... goren2 [6k\]: b looks like he has a massive advantage already, no? Kachnak [2d\]: seems pretty even to me... Uberdude [3d\]: slightly better for b i tihnk Uberdude [3d\]: with e15 aji goren2 [6k\]: w stone is under atack so b has sente Kachnak [2d\]: cant argue that.. goren2 [6k\]: territory better for b goren2 [6k\]: I think b killing w Uberdude [3d\]: i think w will get r12 and b the corner and influence ] ;W[pg]C[Uberdude [3d\]: and can then make all out extension to j17 ] ;B[qg] ;W[pe] ;B[of] ;W[qd] ;B[oe] (;W[qc]) (;W[qe] ;B[qc] ;W[pc] ;B[od] ;W[rc] ;B[qb]C[goren2 [6k\]: gotta s18? ] ;W[rb] ;B[pb]C[goren2 [6k\]: now s13 ok q12? can w kill b? goren2 [6k\]: or bw? Warfreak2 [4d\]: super junfu ] ;W[ph] ;B[rf] ;W[re]C[Fredrik123 [3k\]: is it ko? goren2 [6k\]: w wins? ] ;B[se] ;W[rd] ;B[qi]C[goren2 [6k\]: hm, if ko, only benefits b right? Warfreak2 [4d\]: black s13 will be sente to live Warfreak2 [4d\]: then it's 4 vs 4 with b sente Warfreak2 [4d\]: so w had better s13 now if he wants the corner Warfreak2 [4d\]: oh by live i mean seki goren2 [6k\]: s13 then b 113 right? goren2 [6k\]: t13 Warfreak2 [4d\]: b would prefer q11 goren2 [6k\]: why would he prefer q11? wouldn\\t ko be nice for him even if he loses the stones he can geain massive territoty elsewhere? Warfreak2 [4d\]: he can still ko later Warfreak2 [4d\]: q11 is super big goren2 [6k\]: but if w takes t14, no ko then? Warfreak2 [4d\]: then w took gote twice Warfreak2 [4d\]: so b says well done and attacks g17 and wins easily goren2 [6k\]: ok - but with the ko, he threatens both s17 and g17 - at the expense of r12 if need be Warfreak2 [4d\]: what goren2 [6k\]: or is my thinking wrong? Warfreak2 [4d\]: how does the ko threaten both g17 and s17 goren2 [6k\]: because with the ko he he can attack g17 Warfreak2 [4d\]: most importantly, black q11 is just a lot of points Warfreak2 [4d\]: he can attack g17 anyway goren2 [6k\]: and if he wins ko, he kills s17 Warfreak2 [4d\]: and if he wins the ko, w gets a threat, not b ] ;W[pi] ;B[rg]C[goren2 [6k\]: so w cedes s18? Warfreak2 [4d\]: chance for seki Warfreak2 [4d\]: s19 now Warfreak2 [4d\]: oh, one short moonlock [2k?\]: who won the seki warfreak ? Warfreak2 [4d\]: what do you mean who won the seki Warfreak2 [4d\]: you don't win a seki zazie [-\]: sometimes you do ] ;W[ri]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: :> ] ;B[ra]C[Thumb [1d?\]: Three short Thumb [1d?\]: Three long Thumb [1d?\]: Three short zazie [-\]: let's call it a shibori moonlock [2k?\]: w lose here no ? Warfreak2 [4d\]: yes ] ;W[qj] ;B[sb]C[goren2 [6k\]: w h15? Warfreak2 [4d\]: corners then sides then centre ] ;W[jc]C[EricM [1d?\]: m3? ] ;B[eh]C[goren2 [6k\]: f13/ ] ;W[fg]C[goren2 [6k\]: ? ] ;B[ch] ;W[ci] ;B[bi] ;W[bj] ;B[ej]C[goren2 [6k\]: d12? ] ;W[ek] ;B[di] ;W[cj] ;B[fj] ;W[fk] ;B[gj] ;W[je] ;B[ij] ;W[mp]C[goren2 [6k\]: maybe w 08 is good? Warfreak2 [4d\]: super junfu ] (;AE[np]AW[lp]AB[mp][lq]) (;AW[np]AB[mp]) (;AW[np][mq][oq]AB[lo][kp][mp][lq]C[highlight [7d\]: u are hopeless ] ;B[ro] ;W[rn]C[zazie [-\]: c'est la partie ça ? ] ;B[or]C[papadog [-\]: excuse me, where I can find the paring? zazie [-\]: http://www.gostrasbourg.fr/resultats/ zazie [-\]: StrasChp4, s'il te plaît, qu'est-ce que tu fais ? papadog [-\]: thx ] ;W[pp] ;B[nr] ;W[qq] ;B[pr] ;W[rq] ;B[hg] ;W[hf] ;B[if] ;W[he] ;B[gg] ;W[ff] ;B[en] ;W[dm] ;B[cr]C[goren2 [6k\]: g7? ] ;W[mm] ;B[no] ;W[op] ;B[qr] ;W[rr] ;B[rs]C[goren2 [6k\]: s4 ] ;W[qs] ;B[ps]C[Uberdude [3d\]: t2 better yose? Warfreak2 [4d\]: you mean instead of capture Uberdude [3d\]: instead of s4 Warfreak2 [4d\]: oh Warfreak2 [4d\]: hmm ] ;W[sr] ;B[mk] ;W[ml] (;B[ol]) (;B[lk] ;W[nk] ;B[nj] ;W[ok]C[goren2 [6k\]: now b o12? ] ;B[br] ;W[bq] ;B[aq] ;W[ap] ;B[ar] ;W[bp] ;B[em] ;W[gl] ;B[fh] ;W[jf] ;B[kb] ;W[jb] ;B[jg]C[goren2 [6k\]: b ahead at least 20 pts ] ;W[kg] ;B[kh] ;W[lh] ;B[ki] ;W[ie] ;B[ig] ;W[bh] ;B[bg] ;W[ai] ;B[gf] ;W[ge] ;B[ef] ;W[eg] ;B[dg] ;W[fe] ;B[bf] ;W[ae] ;B[cg]C[goren2 [6k\]: have to f16 ] ;W[fd] ;B[af] ;W[de]C[goren2 [6k\]: m17? ] ;B[gm] ;W[eq] ;B[ep] ;W[dq] ;B[er]C[goren2 [6k\]: this game was so done 50 moves ago ] ;W[km] ;B[dn] ;W[cm] ;B[el] ;W[dk] ;B[im] ;W[jn] ;B[in] ;W[mb] ;B[lc] ;W[mc] ;B[md] ;W[lb] ;B[kc] ;W[ka] ;B[nb] ;W[la] ;B[le] ;W[kd] ;B[ld] ;W[kf] ;B[do] ;W[co] ;B[nq] ;W[hl] ;B[li]C[Uberdude [3d\]: this game was done as soon as the draw program chose dai ] ;W[mf] ;B[mh]C[StrasChp2 [-\]: not program Jan draw Dai ] ;W[lf] ;B[kl] ;W[jm] ;B[jl] ;W[hm] ;B[hn] ;W[il] ;B[jo] ;W[ll] ;B[ik] ;W[ni] ;B[mi] ;W[oj] ;B[mj] ;W[ne] ;B[nd]C[goren2 [6k\]: n6 for b is fun ] ;W[ea] ;B[ba] ;W[gk] (;B[fl]) (;B[fm]C[goren2 [6k\]: 3.5 corners plus massive center plus one huge side goren2 [6k\]: vs one large side and two ok ones whuang [2k\]: we get the point,goren sheeryjay [2k\]: and of course nobody says you have to watch this "long time before done" game ... StrasChp4 [-\]: black resigns losambo [3d\]: what? whuang [2k\]: wait whuang [2k\]: are straschp4 and strachp2 both here? sheeryjay [2k\]: Dai Junfu resigns? Perhaps colour mistake? flo23 [4k\]: dai wins? whuang [2k\]: b17 xorner alive whuang [2k\]: corner KujiKujira [?\]: black wins by 15 here KujiKujira [?\]: so it's white resigns Laman [1d\]: see, it is always possible your opponent resigns :) whuang [2k\]: how does b lose? PetitAnge [5d?\]: mistake I think KujiKujira [?\]: b doesn't lose, StrasChp4 made a mistake whuang [2k\]: big mistake PetitAnge [5d?\]: blanc = white in French Trooper: no white=blanc :D whuang [2k\]: who lost????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! KujiKujira [?\]: white whuang [2k\]: knew it KujiKujira [?\]: get offline do the dames on the upper left corner then do score est KujiKujira [?\]: black +20 ]))))))